connect the dots for us here. when we hear sharif el-gamal say that they will not take money from terrorist organizations, is that the case? >> well, it depends on how you dissect this but we were not satisfied with that answer. frankly, we've not been satisfied with a lot of the nonanswers that we've received. so we started digging into this. and what we found is that one of el-gamal's financial backers, someone who made a significant investment in the mosque is a man man, this gentleman, an egyptian-born man actually had been sending money to a terrorist organization back in 1999. that organization is the holy land foundation. so we've drawn a link between this man, a terrorist organization, and the mosque. >> what we're hearing from this guy, what we're hearing from his attorneys is and from other individuals in this organization you're talking about that he gave money to, this hlf, is that correct? >> hlf. >> that he along with a lot of other people were, perhaps, duped into believing this was an orphanage don